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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 8, 2006 16:24:26 GMT -5
That's what really bugs me. Gwen takes no responsibility in the death of Sarah. Sure, Theresa has some responsiblity. She shouldn't have tempted Ethan, a married man, like she did, especially while his wife was struggling to hold onto their child in the hospital! I think she has the least amount of responsibility, though, because why should Theresa respect Ethan and Gwen's marriage when Ethan doesn't? Or at least didn't? I believe in the sanctity of marriage vows, but Ethan had another woman in his heart and he valued Theresa more than Gwen. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been making out with her on the beach that night. He wouldn't have been so upset that Theresa was with Fox. He would have been with his wife! And then there's Gwen, the ONLY person who could directly affect her child. She got out of bed, even though the doctors had told her numerous times NOT to. She wouldn't let Theresa help her out at the apartment, berated Theresa until she broke, and then ATTACKED Theresa. But because Theresa had to turn to self-defense to save her own life, suddenly Theresa's a murderer.
And Gwen had to beg Theresa to have the abort one of the babies when Nathan died. That can only be blamed on one person, and her name is Gwen! Gwen needs to take responsiblity for her actions. While these things may not have happened if Theresa wasn't in her life, she still made these choices and that is why she has no children! Not Theresa!
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Post by nere on Feb 8, 2006 20:58:44 GMT -5
Exactly. Theresa only attacked Gwen because she was attacked! She was defending herself! She was provoked. Theresa offered her help. Gwen didn't even say, "Thanks but no thanks." Ugh. Theresa even found Ethan in Harmony and broke down in tears. "I killed your baby! It's my fault! Now Gwen can't have any more babies! It's all my fault." Ethan, "No, Theresa. I won't let you blame yourself. It's not your fault. I knew better than to be with you that night at the beach. It was my fault I gave into temptation. I know what you do to me. It's my fault, and I won't let you take the blame." Whatever happened to that?
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 8, 2006 23:44:55 GMT -5
I know!! No one but Gwen, Rebecca and Ivy blames Theresa for Sarah's death, and they all just hate Theresa and blame her for everything! What does that say???
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Post by nere on Feb 9, 2006 7:57:00 GMT -5
I know!! No one but Gwen, Rebecca and Ivy blames Theresa for Sarah's death, and they all just hate Theresa and blame her for everything! What does that say??? Ivy only sides with them because she still thinks Theresita was involved in the tabloid scandal. Gwennie just doesn't want to take the blame for ANYTHING because she is Rebecca's little angel. |
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 9, 2006 19:03:44 GMT -5
Yep. But if/when the truth is ever revealed, I don't think Ivy will go running back to Theresa's side or anything, I think she'll just be against both of them. Too much has happened between Ivy and Theresa since the tabloid, and it's become too personal between the two of them. I could see Ivy eventually tolerating Theresa, but even that's a stretch, because what has Kay ever done to Ivy but keep her secret, and then later hold it over her head? I think it's gotten to a point over a period of years that Ivy won't be happy with the woman who is in her son's lives and the only reason she likes Gwen right now is because she hates Theresa so much because of the tabloid and Gwen's the only way to keep Theresa out of Ethan's life.
I also find it interesting that she hasn't really liked seeing Fancy in Noah's life. She seems to think that all women will hurt the men they're with. It would be real to see a psychological fanfic of her character, to see if it could be worked back to her relationship with Sam, and eventually her hurting him.
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Post by nere on Feb 9, 2006 19:32:52 GMT -5
I think that Ivy doesn't want to see any of her children with anyone of a lower social class than what she is used to. I think in way she regrets Sam for being lower on the social heirarchy than she is. She'd rather Ethan be with Gwen because she was raised as a spoiled brat socialite rather than a peasant-- the way she thinks of the Lopez-Fitz. I'm sure she was fine with Ethan being with her while he was still thought to be the rightful heir of the Crane empire, but when his true paternity came out, she wanted his character to be reclaimed as a rich and powerful man. Considering Rebecca and Julian's relationship, Gwen would be an almost natural pick for him. Ivy, of course, wants to ride on his coattails, if you so please, and bring Sam along with her so she won't resent him. Did that make sense? I was ranting.  |
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 9, 2006 21:09:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that made sense! It also fits her character....but how she's always said that Fancy isn't good for Noah, like she'd hurt him or something. She's even said that <i>to</i> Fancy. It makes me wonder.
There are times when I like Ivy, other times when I don't. If Grace comes back to Harmony Ivy will have my complete devotion once again!
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Post by nere on Feb 9, 2006 21:54:40 GMT -5
I just don't understand her sometimes. I find her to be an enigma. She cares about her children, but she's not involved in their lives much (directly). She doesn't spend time with them, and she'd rather scheme behind their backs. I don't understand how she can do that.
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 13, 2006 14:22:14 GMT -5
I honestly wonder how much both Ivy and Julian actually do care about their children. Except for Ethan and Chad of course...their sons with their loves are important but the others aren't.
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Post by nere on Feb 13, 2006 23:33:48 GMT -5
I honestly wonder how much both Ivy and Julian actually do care about their children. Except for Ethan and Chad of course...their sons with their loves are important but the others aren't. It's like they forget the others exist at all! After Julian turned good and asked for custody of Endora, he seemed to have forgotten about her!! |
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Post by kaybennettfan on Feb 18, 2006 1:14:02 GMT -5
I honestly wonder how much both Ivy and Julian actually do care about their children. Except for Ethan and Chad of course...their sons with their loves are important but the others aren't. I dont think they care AT ALL! |
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 18, 2006 23:22:46 GMT -5
Don't you love how Ivy was so concerned about Fancy but she brushed her off when Eve was called to Alistair's room, and then all was forgotten with Sam's Valentine's Day present? And did Julian show much concern about Fancy's condition at all?
Julian seemed more upset over Ethan's poisoning than he did over Fancy's eye. And it's not just that she might lose her eye, but she could have been killed when that car drove into the diner, pretty much pointed straight at them. Yet they don't seem too concerned about it. At least not to me.
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Post by kaybennettfan on Feb 19, 2006 0:23:32 GMT -5
They seem like fair-weather parents. like they care when they want.
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Post by nere on Feb 19, 2006 9:43:20 GMT -5
Like right now, Julian is in Alistair's hospital room, whom he doesn't even care about, instead of his own daughter's!
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Post by odysseedesreves on Feb 21, 2006 14:47:32 GMT -5
And Ivy's with Valerie, plotting to ruin Fox's happiness by bringing Kay down.
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